From Zelle to Open Banking: Sebastien Taveau’s Insights on Payments

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Episode Summary

In this episode of the Digital Banking Podcast, host Josh DeTar welcomes Sebastien Taveau, an industry expert from Meesteek.ai. Together, they dive deep into the evolving world of open banking, payments, and financial technology. Sebastien shares his insights on the global differences in how open banking is implemented, with particular focus on the approaches seen in Iceland, Australia, and the U.S.

Taveau discusses the technical and cultural challenges banks face as they transition toward more open systems. He highlights how open banking can improve customer experiences while ensuring security and trust in financial transactions. From his work with Zelle to his broader expertise in real-time payments, Sebastien brings unique perspectives on risk management and system scalability.

Listeners will also hear about Taveau’s personal experiences with industry-leading projects and innovations, as well as his thoughts on the future of financial services. This episode is a must-listen for anyone interested in banking innovation and digital transformation.

Guest-at-a-Glance

💡 Name: Sebastien Taveau

💡What they do: Sr. Managing Director

💡Company: Meesteek.ai

💡Noteworthy: Sebastien has extensive experience in cybersecurity, NFC, and payment systems, including key roles at PayPal and Zelle, contributing to innovations in real-time payments and open banking systems.

💡 Where to find them: LinkedIn

Key Insights

The Global Variations of Open Banking

Sebastien Taveau explains that open banking means different things around the world. While countries like Iceland have implemented open banking to allow consumers to seamlessly transfer their banking data between institutions, other regions have taken more cautious approaches. In the U.S., open banking remains limited to certain types of data, like checking and savings accounts, as banks are more protective of customer information. Taveau argues that countries like Australia have taken a middle-ground approach, where banks collaborate on data sharing but still impose limitations. This insight highlights the complexities and varying implementations of open banking based on local regulatory environments and banking systems, emphasizing that true open banking—where consumers fully control their financial data—remains an evolving concept globally.

Building Zelle: Challenges of Real-Time Payments

Sebastien reflects on his experience with Zelle, revealing that real-time payment networks like Zelle require sophisticated risk management. He explains how the platform was designed with multiple safeguards to verify users and prevent fraud, including cross-referencing phone numbers with address books and notifying users of potential mismatches. However, the initial launch of Zelle exceeded expectations, onboarding 100,000 users daily—five times their projected capacity. This rapid growth tested the infrastructure and required close coordination between Zelle’s team and partner banks. Taveau’s story underscores the complexity of launching real-time payment platforms, as well as the need for stringent fraud prevention measures when dealing with instant financial transactions.

The Future of Instant Payments in the U.S.

Sebastien shares his thoughts on the future of instant payments, particularly the role of FedNow, the Federal Reserve’s real-time payment system. He suggests that while instant payments are currently limited to certain types of transactions, their expansion is inevitable. FedNow and other networks are pushing for broader use cases, such as B2B and cross-border payments, which could transform the financial ecosystem. Taveau emphasizes that instant payments will be a catalyst for change, driving innovation in areas like invoicing, securities management, and financial transparency. However, he notes that banks will need to navigate complex regulatory and technical challenges to fully embrace this shift.

Episode Highlights

The History and Evolution of Open Banking

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Sebastien Taveau discusses the origins of open banking and how the concept has evolved over the years. He explains that the initial idea behind open banking was for consumers to have full control of their banking data, allowing them to seamlessly transfer information between institutions. However, the implementation has varied significantly across different countries. While Iceland set a precedent by fully embracing data portability, other countries, such as the U.S., have imposed more stringent controls.

"In my mind, open banking has always been the way it was supposed to be done, and that Iceland did right... you have your own information as a consumer. You have your bank account. You have your statements. Open banking was supposed to be, 'I do not like my bank anymore. I'm going to walk across the street to another bank.'"

Building Real-Time Payment Networks: Zelle’s Rapid Onboarding Challenge

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Taveau recalls the challenges of launching Zelle, particularly the unexpected surge in user adoption that exceeded the team’s projections. He describes how Zelle was built with both on-premise and cloud-based infrastructure, which allowed the platform to scale rapidly when it onboarded 100,000 users per day—five times the expected capacity. The team had to work around the clock to maintain system stability, collaborating closely with partner banks to address capacity issues.

"We were kind of thinking, ‘Okay, if we get 20,000 users per day, you know, maybe per week, that’s going to be awesome.’ And then we were having like 100,000 users per day, five times the capacity that we were thinking of. So of course, you start looking at, like, 'Who was doing the capacity planning?'"

Managing Risk and Fraud in Real-Time Payments

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Taveau highlights the complexities of managing risk and preventing fraud in real-time payment networks. He shares how Zelle incorporated multiple "risk moments" to detect fraud before users could send money, using phone number checks, name verification, and address book cross-referencing. Despite these safeguards, he acknowledges that fraudsters are always finding ways to exploit systems, pushing financial institutions to continually refine their risk management protocols.

"We had to rethink, ‘Hey, as we’re in this framework, what else can we do?’... In Zelle, there were like 12 risk moments that were happening before you even press that send button... but scammers are not stupid. They’re going through these instant rails."

The Role of APIs in Financial Innovation

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Sebastien delves into how Application Programming Interfaces (APIs) are playing a crucial role in driving innovation in the financial sector. He explains that APIs allow banks to offer open banking services while maintaining control over what data is shared and with whom. This structure reassures financial institutions about security and governance while facilitating new opportunities for collaboration and customer-centric services.

"You may be able to get access to free stuff, but when you want to go to the meat, the real content that you need, you're going to have to pay for it. Right? And that's how you create like monetization of APIs. For example, you have different levels of pricing."

Top Quotes

1. [00:22:00] Sebastien Taveau: "You can see what's inside. Right. And you just can't touch it. Right. That's open. You can see it. You can see what it is, but you're not allowed to touch it. If you want to touch it, then you need to be granted access."

2. [00:03:00] Josh DeTar: "When you get a guest like this as a host, you are stoked to get them talking. So let's get to talking about all things open banking, payments, delivery, the list goes on for miles."

3. [01:07:00] Sebastien Taveau: "The banks in the U.S. today, and actually the banks globally, are in this massive transition period. And that transition means that a lot of changes, small or big, need to be made. And it’s going to be like, in which order do you make these changes?"

4. [00:12:00] Sebastien Taveau: "Some moments were stressful, some others were very rewarding... It was constantly an exercise of balancing the back end of what we were building and how to present it to the consumer. You learned a lot about diplomacy and how to work with seven banks."

5. [01:23:00] Sebastien Taveau: "I think it’s important to have that framework of what I call the secondary rail still in existence for these types of scenarios because they are not going away. Scammers and bad people are always going to be around and I want to be protected by my bank."

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